Biggest problem with the McMahon vs Bryan feud.

I agree. Orton`s promo where he was thanking Triple H etc. just seemed like they took his character and changed every aspect of it.

I'm thinking Punk could end up joining the McMahons at some point. He's totally sold out since his 'shoot' promo. He says "WWE Universe" now, and seems to have lost interest in changing things. It would be pretty cool to have Bryan call him on a few things, and Punk say he's doing what he has to do to get ahead, overcoming his size and his look.

I agree Punk turning heel and joining the McMahons would be one of the best heel turns for years. I think they are weary to do that though because it's so hard to make big stars now a days, but Punk works either heel or face so it doesn't really matter.

Daniel Bryan has to go over Triple H as well, hopefully he retires him or something.

He wont though... as this is all leading to a heel Triple H vs a returning face advocate for Vince at WM30

when D-Bry beats Orton and overcomes the odds, that will be his 'victory' over HHH

I am pretty happy with it. I love D Bry, he is the baby face. I legit hate Orton so him being in this position works for me, because now I just hate him even more. Wade Barrett playing the "do anything for the boss" guy, Shield the hired guns/security. All works for me. I cannot complain about anything to this point.

He wont though... as this is all leading to a heel Triple H vs a returning face advocate for Vince at WM30

So where is this going then? Vince face turn?

Someone needs to retire Triple H.

He wont though... as this is all leading to a heel Triple H vs a returning face advocate for Vince at WM30

So where is this going then? Vince face turn?

Someone needs to retire Triple H.

Then they should bring Michaels back! One time match to retire Trips! Please!
He had the Bryan beard at Summerslam! It could happen!

MARTY JANNETY RETURNS and takes them BOTH OUT!!!!

I think everyone is overthinking this whole storyline. I think it makes perfect sense. They have already addressed the biggest issue, which is Orton's history of attacking the McMahon family and his hatred of HHH. I mean we have seen this before. When Austin turned heel and teamed with Vince, no one cared that Austin beat Vince's ass every week for about 3 or 4 years prior. It was all a means to an end. The McMahon family doesn't like Bryan as their champion. They don't like his grooming habits, they don't like his size. He just doesn't fit what they want. Maybe Vince turns face after seeing Bryan's heart and determination but maybe he doesn't turn heel and Bryan just beats the odds. Orton has changed a ton since he was in Evolution so this change isn't exactly a shock. We all knew he was turning heel and this just puts him in a bigger spotlight because he is with the boss. This is doing exactly what its supposed to do. Stack the odds against the ultimate underdog only for him to fight through it all and come out on top. It is working. Everyone hates HHH and having him take the lead heel role is perfect. Orton isn't suffering from this at all. He is getting mad heat and he is the champ. How is that bad for him? Bryan isn't suffering from this. He is getting the biggest push of his life. This is something that Punk didn't get the entire time he was on top. The fans are behind everything Bryan does. He is going to end up the champ. I ask, how is this bad for anyone involved???

I actually agree with everything you said

I think everyone is overthinking this whole storyline. I think it makes perfect sense. They have already addressed the biggest issue, which is Orton's history of attacking the McMahon family and his hatred of HHH. I mean we have seen this before. When Austin turned heel and teamed with Vince, no one cared that Austin beat Vince's ass every week for about 3 or 4 years prior. It was all a means to an end. The McMahon family doesn't like Bryan as their champion. They don't like his grooming habits, they don't like his size. He just doesn't fit what they want. Maybe Vince turns face after seeing Bryan's heart and determination but maybe he doesn't turn heel and Bryan just beats the odds. Orton has changed a ton since he was in Evolution so this change isn't exactly a shock. We all knew he was turning heel and this just puts him in a bigger spotlight because he is with the boss. This is doing exactly what its supposed to do. Stack the odds against the ultimate underdog only for him to fight through it all and come out on top. It is working. Everyone hates HHH and having him take the lead heel role is perfect. Orton isn't suffering from this at all. He is getting mad heat and he is the champ. How is that bad for him? Bryan isn't suffering from this. He is getting the biggest push of his life. This is something that Punk didn't get the entire time he was on top. The fans are behind everything Bryan does. He is going to end up the champ. I ask, how is this bad for anyone involved???

I don't know who you're addressing cos it sounds to me like you're overthinking my criticism. I never sad this as a bad feud or that it was bad for anyone involved, it's great for everyone involved. Makes Bryan a star and Triple H and Orton top heels in one swift move it's been very well done. I just don't buy Orton as the McMahon's champion simply because Randy Orton's character doesn't fit.

i don't have a problem with this feud at all. I'm not a fan of the Orton character (I have always looked at him, since his 'viper' thing and thought - he looks like a prison rapist), or his limited move set - which is a shame, cuz he's actually a good wrestler.

D Bry has become the top face in the company... even when cena was there imo. the reaction from the crowd when he gets on tv is incredible. And his reactions aren't mixed. the crowd is 100% behind d bry. He took that Shamus squash from WM and turned it around into the biggest thing since SCSA's 'what' chants.

I am the most impressed by this 'indy' guy developing into an incredible talker. usually indie guys can't talk at all (i know i know, cm punk can). That is usually one of the three strikes that Vince uses to ignore them. 1. can't talk, 2. too small, 3. vince didn't 'make' them. (F in ring skill, lol).

as long as d bry eventually gets the title back, I'll be okay with it. It was like a cruel booking committee bullying to give him the title for only 5 minutes. but it worked, and got me mad.

I think everyone is overthinking this whole storyline. I think it makes perfect sense. They have already addressed the biggest issue, which is Orton's history of attacking the McMahon family and his hatred of HHH. I mean we have seen this before. When Austin turned heel and teamed with Vince, no one cared that Austin beat Vince's ass every week for about 3 or 4 years prior. It was all a means to an end. The McMahon family doesn't like Bryan as their champion. They don't like his grooming habits, they don't like his size. He just doesn't fit what they want. Maybe Vince turns face after seeing Bryan's heart and determination but maybe he doesn't turn heel and Bryan just beats the odds. Orton has changed a ton since he was in Evolution so this change isn't exactly a shock. We all knew he was turning heel and this just puts him in a bigger spotlight because he is with the boss. This is doing exactly what its supposed to do. Stack the odds against the ultimate underdog only for him to fight through it all and come out on top. It is working. Everyone hates HHH and having him take the lead heel role is perfect. Orton isn't suffering from this at all. He is getting mad heat and he is the champ. How is that bad for him? Bryan isn't suffering from this. He is getting the biggest push of his life. This is something that Punk didn't get the entire time he was on top. The fans are behind everything Bryan does. He is going to end up the champ. I ask, how is this bad for anyone involved???

I don't know who you're addressing cos it sounds to me like you're overthinking my criticism. I never sad this as a bad feud or that it was bad for anyone involved, it's great for everyone involved. Makes Bryan a star and Triple H and Orton top heels in one swift move it's been very well done. I just don't buy Orton as the McMahon's champion simply because Randy Orton's character doesn't fit.

But who says he doesn't fit? Orton has been so many things that anything fits. I think its a testament to Orton's talent that he can make it fit. Who here bought the "Toughest SOB in WWE", the "Rattlesnake", Mr. DTA, stomp a mudhole in someone's ass and walk it dry would instantly turn into a guitar playing softy who would rather hug Mr. McMahon than whip his ass? That's the best part about a heel turn. A strong badass face makes the best cowardly heel. It gets so much heat because it's such a departure from what his character just was. Orton was a badass, don't take shit, strike at anytime face. Now he's got the corporate backing and he turns into someone who has to hide behind Triple H's authority. It is perfect. I love it and I think Orton is great. Even though he kinda looks like a rapist. Haha.

I always thought the highlight of Orton's Legacy run was when he ended up in the cell with Cena. He spent so long hiding behind his boys and cheating to win that when he was finally backed into a corner and had to fight for himself it was a fairly big deal. And the best part? He won! He was actually capable of being in that spot without any help. He just used the help because he was an asshole, or because he had no faith in himself, or any number of negative character traits.

Now he's spent the last few years being a top guy the 'right' way, so it's even more annoying that he's sold out. He doesn't need to do it, he's already good enough to compete with Bryan, probably even good enough to beat him, but he's taking the help anyway.

All reasons to hate hate hate Orton! I like it

I like the turn. Like a few have said already, it makes big heels out of two stars and 'creates' a big star in Daniel Bryan.

My problem with this feud is that they played it out too quickly. They could have easily stretched this out and have it culminate in a Bryan beatdown inside Hell in a Cell as well as Orton cashing in. Until then, Vince McMahon's role in this feud could have been fleshed out a bit with him picking challengers to take the belt off of Bryan at Night of Champions and the new PPV (whatever it's called again). Turning to Orton would have made much more sense because it would be the McMahon's turning to their past tormentor to get the job done.

But it's a minor problem. The feud still works for me, kind of like how The Rock becoming the Corporate champion months after becoming #2 babyface in 1998.

As for 'Mania, I noticed WWE's YouTube channel mashing Stone Cold's music with Orton's music a couple of days ago. I don't think it's a coincidence; Austin has said on his podcast that he feels in amazing shape after surgery. I think that HHH/Orton v. Austin/Bryan might be getting green-lit.

I don't really understand your point that Randy Orton doesn't make sense as a corporate champion. He makes total sense, especially considering his history with Triple H and Evolution. Triple H brought Randy Orton into Evolutions as the future of the company, and the future is now.

As for Bryan, I do like the storyline but i'm not sure how much I love the whole "silent lockerroom" especially Big Show, isn't Big Show in an Ironclad contract? He can fuck-up anyone without any ramifications. He CAN'T be fired can he?

I also am not so keen on The Shield working for Triple H, that doesn't seem to make sense to me as most of their past beatdowns relied on "Justice" and always seemed to lean towards justice for the independent fan, they would usually jump legends/ almost legends/established guys. When they debutted they seemed to belong to CM Punk and Paul Heyman. I could see them as Brad Maddox's henchmen, but as Triple H henchmen I don't buy it.

Plus, I don't want Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins as corporate, they're rebels!

As for Bryan, I do like the storyline but i'm not sure how much I love the whole "silent lockerroom" especially Big Show, isn't Big Show in an Ironclad contract? He can fuck-up anyone without any ramifications. He CAN'T be fired can he?

He can't be fired, but Triple H can make his life hell. He could be booked in three on one matches every week, or take a 100% pay cut. Something like that.

If you want to bring up continuity problems, why didn't the roster walk out on Triple H like they did two years ago? That got his power revoked back then, why not now?

wwe fans are expected to not remember past 2 months ago.

That is what i think that the wwe thinks.

we also forgot that cm punk fought cena (during the ecw days) and got beat in like under 2 minutes. Or how show and mark henry were hated rivals a few months ago - now they are teaming together? and what happened to the justice that the shield was after? did that go the way of the anonymous GM?

lets all just hope that randy orton doesn't get to happy with his spot and smoke a little herb. We'll get to see if the wellness policy is real, or 'real for some.'

Funny you should say that, that's exactly what I call the "two month rule." Anything that happened more than two months ago, didn't happen.

Also, during this sub-two minute Punk v Cena match, King even says "you've gotta have a short memory!" Ha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … eFYQ#t=231

They did explain the anonymous GM though. It was Hornswoggle.

They did explain the anonymous GM though. It was Hornswoggle.

Hornswoggle? ARG. I must have missed that, or selectively forgot.

Also, a wish from a fake Santa can make a mute able to talk. #whodidfinleypissofftohavehornswogglecastashiskid?

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They did explain the anonymous GM though. It was Hornswoggle.

Hornswoggle? ARG. I must have missed that, or selectively forgot.

Also, a wish from a fake Santa can make a mute able to talk. #whodidfinleypissofftohavehornswogglecastashiskid?

It was a Christmas miracle stupid! 🙂

The WWE Universe is on some other plain of existence where time goes at a different rate of speed than the normal universe. It's like comics. Anything can happen.

The Two Month Rule I definitely been in effect on Raw, as I was just watching WWE Superstars and it showed the end of Raw again with all the roster on the stage, and just before D-Bry got RKO'd the crowd were all chanting for Big Show, who stayed up on the stage for fear of being sacked if he did anything...

Yet if you break the "Two Month Rule" you would remember that he has an Iron Clad Contract after siding with Big Johnny, so therefor, surely he couldn't have been sacked by an over eager and zealous Triple H.

This is one that's been brought up a lot over the last week. My devil's advocate defence of WWE is that, while they couldn't fire him, they could make his life hell. They could fine him, book him in impossible matches, do things like they did on SmackDown, putting him at ringside and forcing him to watch other people getting beat downs without being allowed to help.