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Its not a matter of who shouldn't be on tv in his place, it's more that they have 6 hours of prime time tv every week and they waste a lot of it on stupid shit like the McMahon family drama. There is no need for that especially since it takes up about 30 minutes of every Raw. They went to three hours to get more content in and they choose that? I know USA loves the McMahon family but they are the only ones who care about this story. Cena vs. Bryan could have a better build if we didn't have to drag it down by them trying to make us care about Vince and Triple H fighting over DB with Steph's horrible over acting in the middle. I'd rather see more tag division or guys like Ryder. Guys who are over or could get over if given a chance. Like Tyson Kidd and Justin Gabriel. Those two are awesome but I don't watch Superstars so I don't get to see them. I still believe that Vince killed Ryder's push but there are a lot of other guys who deserve the time just as much.
Exactly. This is exactly why I supported the brand extension from day one. "The divisions are so thin!" people yelled, but I stuck to my guns and now I'm finally proven right. We have Sheamus, Orton, Del Rio and a ton of others on twice a week, while talent like Kidd and Gabriel are nowhere.
Kydd is hurt, and Gabriel has a match every week. He's just a jobber, pretty much.
Kydd is hurt, and Gabriel has a match every week. He's just a jobber, pretty much.
On Superstars? Main Event? He's definitely not on the main shows.
Mostly on Superstars and Main Event, but he put over Ryback and Fandango on Smackdowns not too long ago. There's really no spot for him on RAW at the moment. It's been pretty good lately I think, once the Rock and Undertaker left the scene it's been solid. Gave Mark Henry and Ryback chances to really step up. It worked for Henry, Ryback not so much, but still there haven't been many times where I thought "this segment NEEDS Justin Gabriel." Even the stuff HHH and Vince are involved in is serving to elevate Daniel Bryan. Maybe they can cut out some of the replays and flash backs and squeeze in another Justin Gabriel loss, but it's really not necessary until someone comes up with something good for him. At least he's doing something, it could be a lot worse. He could be JTG
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Mostly on Superstars and Main Event, but he put over Ryback and Fandango on Smackdowns not too long ago. There's really no spot for him on RAW at the moment. It's been pretty good lately I think, once the Rock and Undertaker left the scene it's been solid. Gave Mark Henry and Ryback chances to really step up. It worked for Henry, Ryback not so much, but still there haven't been many times where I thought "this segment NEEDS Justin Gabriel." Even the stuff HHH and Vince are involved in is serving to elevate Daniel Bryan. Maybe they can cut out some of the replays and flash backs and squeeze in another Justin Gabriel loss, but it's really not necessary until someone comes up with something good for him. At least he's doing something, it could be a lot worse. He could be JTG
I know what you mean, but it's not really the point I'm making. Raw is fine, Gabriel isn't needed in anything. My point is that we're seeing Randy Orton twice a week, once on each show. Del Rio too, and Ziggler, and the divas and so many others. We only see Cena, Punk and Lesnar once a week, on Raw, and I don't think anyone is begging for more. If they are, it's nice to be able to look forward to next week's Raw. So instead of getting these B-level guys on both shows, why not give that extra time - probably the SmackDown time - to the likes of Gabriel and JTG? What would be lost? Certain guys would be given a better chance of getting noticed, and the others will feel more important.
Also, why use roster guys as jobbers? I've never understood that. Why bury JTG when you could just use a local guy?
I would love that as much as you, or anyone who likes wrestling. I guess it comes down to ticket sales and fear of poor returns again. They're worried about people changing the channel on RAW so they fill that mid card with Smackdown's top guys. Then they're worried about not having a main event draw for Smackdown, so the World champions and world champion contenders are back to headline Smackdown. I'm not saying I like it that way. I would love deeper divisions, more contendership matches, multi man matches, and tournaments. Too risky for the very corporate WWE. But that's why these guys don't get the big pushes, not because of a personal vendetta. It's the creative team's fear of coming up with another shit angle, so no one is willing to take the chance to do something creative
They merged the rosters again for ratings, you're right. But for quite a while they'd run with the brand extension quite successfully. I really don't get why they have such little confidence in themselves to make a decent product. They did it in 2002!
They merged the rosters again for ratings, you're right. But for quite a while they'd run with the brand extension quite successfully. I really don't get why they have such little confidence in themselves to make a decent product. They did it in 2002!
I'm not sure about that. I don't think in the history of the brand extension we've ever had 2 solid shows, it's either Smackdown was much better because of Triple H hogging Mondays or Raw was better because no one was on Smackdown.
They merged the rosters again for ratings, you're right. But for quite a while they'd run with the brand extension quite successfully. I really don't get why they have such little confidence in themselves to make a decent product. They did it in 2002!
With top mid card WCW and ECW guys in their prime on top of their own WWE established stars; yes.
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What kills me most is how hesitant they are to pull the trigger and put over the next new guy. They build people up to a larger than life status, and for the most part it really doesn't matter if they win or lose, they're still gonna get a crowd reaction. And then they don't let them lose. Kane didn't need to beat Ryder, but they were afraid to give him the ball. A win for Ryder there would've been huge for him, however he got it. Kane could still have gone on to creep his way into a title shot and lose to Cena
They merged the rosters again for ratings, you're right. But for quite a while they'd run with the brand extension quite successfully. I really don't get why they have such little confidence in themselves to make a decent product. They did it in 2002!
With top mid card WCW and ECW guys in their prime on top of their own WWE established stars; yes.
What's the difference? There would be just as much TV time as before, WWE can make stars too.
And anyway, the biggest WCW and ECW guys got in the post-draft era was Booker and RVD, the main events were Triple H, Michaels, Angle, Lesnar, Show...the Alliance guys didn't stick around the top for long.
the brand extension was very important because it allowed for new talent to come to the forefront. the new talent initiative that Smackdown had back during the brand extension was a great way to bring in new talent well still keeping a solid upper and main event scene with mainstays from raw. right now they have enough main event tell it to fill a main event on both shows as separate entities as long as they take the Med card spread them out evenly and give them enough time to develop. it's just a matter of the creative team being inept at what they do and it shows every week on Raw and Smackdown. the biggest problem is and I think someone said earlier is that the hell have real competition that is forcing them to take this risk and until that happens I fear that we are stuck with the product that we were given now
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Back in the days after the buy out of wcw, they had sooo much talent and nowhere to put them. Guys like benoit & eddie were fighting in 5 minute matches on TV, but at least we got to see 6 matches or so. The wwe used those brief matches to see who got a reaction and who didn't.
Maybe they should go back to cramming a ton of little matches in our faces to see who we like and who we don't. Get some of these unused people on tv... give um a CHANCE. Tyson Kidd got huge reaction when he was in the MITB match. Now he's no where to be found (even before the injury).
Remember, they were about to FIRE rocky mavia, and said 'it doesn't matter what you do, go out and do whatever the hell you want, ' - and they got THE ROCK out of it.
Remember, they were about to FIRE rocky mavia, and said 'it doesn't matter what you do, go out and do whatever the hell you want, ' - and they got THE ROCK out of it.
They were going to fire Cena too, until Steph heard about his freestyling on the tour bus. And, of course, Punk was on the way out when they let him do his famous 'shoot,' now look at him.
Its not a matter of who shouldn't be on tv in his place, it's more that they have 6 hours of prime time tv every week and they waste a lot of it on stupid shit like the McMahon family drama. There is no need for that especially since it takes up about 30 minutes of every Raw. They went to three hours to get more content in and they choose that? I know USA loves the McMahon family but they are the only ones who care about this story. Cena vs. Bryan could have a better build if we didn't have to drag it down by them trying to make us care about Vince and Triple H fighting over DB with Steph's horrible over acting in the middle. I'd rather see more tag division or guys like Ryder. Guys who are over or could get over if given a chance. Like Tyson Kidd and Justin Gabriel. Those two are awesome but I don't watch Superstars so I don't get to see them. I still believe that Vince killed Ryder's push but there are a lot of other guys who deserve the time just as much.