Malky Mackay: I will not quit.

The guy seems like an absolute twat. What manager doesn't way that they want to strengthen their squad? I bet most managers in the Prem would say that they would, if not all. Especially ones down near the bottom.

Mackay has done a fantastic job since being there and Tan just seems like he wants to ruin the club. Was good to see fans today supporting the manager and saying that it's Tan that they want out.

Tan actually makes Mike Ashley look like a good owner 🙂

If Tan wasnt there then Cardiff wouldnt be in the premiership.

And Malkey isnt refusing to resign because of his 'steely determination' its because he'll lose his payout if he resigns.

This reminds me of when Southampton sacked their manager, nigel adkins. He was a saints hero, had got them up when they shouldnt have come up. The press loved him. Cortese sacked him and was hated. He was a foreign idiot. He brought in a foreign manager we'd never heard of and the Saints were going to fall out of the league.

Didnt quite happen that way tho.

I think that its Tans club and he can do what he wants. Football isnt like any other business, idiots get jobs, get sacked and get another job. The weak and the shit dont get weeded out.

Shit happens, but we follow our clubs regardless. I get fed up with Spurs, but (despite what i say on here) i cant stop supporting them. If they got relegated Id hate it, but Id follow them. I liked AVB, but i wont stop supporting my team because he's gone. I loved (literally...) gareth bale, but Im not a real madrid fan now because hes gone.

Cardiff fans should support their team, and realise they would bever have beaten man city without Tan because they wouldnt have been in the premier!

Malkey needs to go, and disappear down the leagues with shitty clubs doing shitty jobs.

Given the choice, cardiff fans should back Tan every day of the week. Without him they are another Portsmouth waiting to happen, Malkey being there or not makes no difference because if he does well then he'll go to a bigger club, and if he does poorly then he'll leave anywaym

Tan actually makes Mike Ashley look like a good owner 🙂

I get that the smiley means its a joke, but i worry that Newcastle fans dobt appreciate ashley. Hes put over 100m of his own money into the club. Saved you from going under. Continues to spend money at a realistic rate, and makes sure u work as a business.

Seems like newcastle fans would rather be leeds and have 3 reasonable seasons and then pay for it for 10+ years.

I'm one of those fans that's while not fond of him, actually appreciate what he's done for the club. We've have had to sell so much if Ashley hadn't brought the club off Shepard and the money he's put into the club is all interest free as it's his personal money. People like to say that he doesn't spend, but we've spent more than we've sold, even with losing Carroll for £35m. He doesn't pay scoring bonuses as "that's what strikers are paid to do anyway", and he wants us to promote where possible from within as he's looked at some of the players that we've released - Shearer (only to buy back for £15m later) and Carrick (we released him and West Ham snapped him up) are the most famous from recentish times. He's put a wage cap on so that we're not spending stupid money on someone who could flop, God knows we've had enough of them, and he's interested in making the club sustain itself whilst still remaining competitive.

Just a shame he makes some real questionable decisions at times. Miles better than Cardiff's chump of an owner.

If Tan wasnt there then Cardiff wouldnt be in the premiership.

And Malkey isnt refusing to resign because of his 'steely determination' its because he'll lose his payout if he resigns.

This reminds me of when Southampton sacked their manager, nigel adkins. He was a saints hero, had got them up when they shouldnt have come up. The press loved him. Cortese sacked him and was hated. He was a foreign idiot. He brought in a foreign manager we'd never heard of and the Saints were going to fall out of the league.

Didnt quite happen that way tho.

I think that its Tans club and he can do what he wants. Football isnt like any other business, idiots get jobs, get sacked and get another job. The weak and the shit dont get weeded out.

Shit happens, but we follow our clubs regardless. I get fed up with Spurs, but (despite what i say on here) i cant stop supporting them. If they got relegated Id hate it, but Id follow them. I liked AVB, but i wont stop supporting my team because he's gone. I loved (literally...) gareth bale, but Im not a real madrid fan now because hes gone.

Cardiff fans should support their team, and realise they would bever have beaten man city without Tan because they wouldnt have been in the premier!

Malkey needs to go, and disappear down the leagues with shitty clubs doing shitty jobs.

Given the choice, cardiff fans should back Tan every day of the week. Without him they are another Portsmouth waiting to happen, Malkey being there or not makes no difference because if he does well then he'll go to a bigger club, and if he does poorly then he'll leave anywaym

While I pretty much agree, I hate that I do. It shows that in football nowadays owners win you titles and not managers, in the last 10 years the most important man at Chelsea has been Ambramovich. He can get rid of a manager every season but he's still guaranteed a trophy a season, compare it to Arsenal who haven't won anything since 2005 but have had the same manager.

The point you make about if he as successful he'd just bounce to a bigger club regardless of hat the Cardiff fans think, Tan is gonna be around much longer than Mackay.

And if Tan isnt around, who cares.

If wenger left arse, and every first team player followed, you'd still support arse (and they'd probably still finish above spurs...).

Who cares who the owner is. Who cares who the manager is. Who cares who the players are. Real fans follow the badge. Real fans support their club regardless. I have some pompy mates, and they still post PUP (play up pompy) signs on their fb. They are fans. If a prerequisit of you supporting your team is they are doing well, then support chelsea, man city or utd. You're not a real fan (not saying city and utd fans dont count, altho chelsea fans dont count...) 

I supported spurs thru many poor years. Thru many relegation battles. Thru Klinsmann scoring 4 against wimbledon to keep us up. Thru losing my favorite ever manager (venables). Thru losing my two favorite players (lineker and sheringham). And Im still a fan of tottenham. My club is bigger than any one individual.

Cardiff should be eternally grateful to Tan for giving them the means of gaining access to the premier league, and also grateful to malkey for helping to get them there. But they need to support the badge, and remember Southampton...

Last edited by Mr Hilds (Sun-22-Dec-2013 11:12:02)

Who said anything about cardiff fans not supporting the club? As fans they are allowed to air their grievances.  The owner doesnt make the club the fans do. Without the fans there is no club. Vincent Tan is changing the conplete identity of Cardiff.

If Spurs changed their name to the Tottenham Hawks, kit turned black, sacked manager and backroom staff and replaced them with inexperienced teenagers,  you'd still support the club but you telling me you'd be happy with how your club identity is gone? If you say you'd be fine with it you're either lying or stupid.

Ha, Rhys beat me to it. Fans are allowed to be unhappy with how their team is run. They've had their kit and badge changed, an good backroom staff member sacked for no reason and replaced with a 23 year old friend of the owner who has no experience apart from painting who has now had to leave as he has no visa, he wants to sack the manager for saying something that practically every manager would say. Won't be long before he does something else equally stupid and wouldn't surprise me if he wants to change the name as well. The club that the fans grew up supporting would be an entirely different club, just with the history of Cardiff City.

They aren't Chelsea where changing a manager on a whim is okay. Cardiff aren't going to be challenging for the Premiership or expected to win any cup competition. The owners are incomparable, not just through wealth but through expectations of the club as well.

Southampton, yeah I'll give you that, but they were doing worse that Cardiff were when Atkins was sacked and they haven't had all these other changes going on as well. So although the seemingly odd change in management is comparable, everything else isn't.

Fans have a right to be happy. If they weren't supporting the team they wouldn't have been there and they wouldn't have cheered everything that Cardiff did. Their fans have been brilliant all season from what I've seen. Even went to a Cardiff game this season and they are fucking loud for most of the game. You can't question their support. That's just stupid. They have a right to be unhappy with everything that's going on. I certainly would be furious if all this was happening to Newcastle.

I think Malky Mackay has done a tremendous job at Cardiff. He joined with less than eleven first teamers and still got them into the league cup final and in the play-offs. Second season, they ran away with the league. Dave Jones tried for five years and failed everytime in the play-offs.

Malkey has done well, Ive said that. So did keane at sunderland. Fans have a right to be happy, but lets be honest, how many fans are actually happy? I remember H at the start of the season not being happy, but wenger knew best. I know a lot of spurs fans that were unhappy with harry going, but we've been better since (we have more points at this stage than we did last season, and we had a very good points haul last season). John gregory and brian little doth did well at villa, but it doesnt make them good managers.

Are cardiff fans helping their team? No, they are giving players that can move and find other clubs an excuse not to play.

Would i be happy if it was happening at spurs? Of course not, but Id still support. I wouldnt boo.

If spurs changed their trading name to tottenham hawks or whatever, it wouldnt matter. The team name stays the same. Hull city would stay as hull city if they changed to hull tigers because its the company name changing, not the team name.

I still say the owner can do what he wants. The problem is with the 'right and proper persons test' that the premier league does on prospective owners. Owners like tan shouldnt be allowed to own a club, but whilst they are then they can operate it how they wish.

Cardiff City: Alisher Apsalyamov leaves recruitment role

Alisher Apsalyamov, the 23-year-old Kazakh who became Cardiff City's head of recruitment, has left the club.

An issue concerning Apsalyamov's work visa, after he joined on work experience, forced him to stand down.

Apsalyamov controversially replaced Iain Moody in the role after a row over spending.

His departure came as under-threat manager Malky Mackay saw his side lose 3-1 at Liverpool in the Premier League on Saturday.

Moody went on to become Crystal Palace's director of football, having been described by Mackay as "a class act".

In his scouting role at the club, Moody, who worked with Mackay at Watford, helped sign summer recruits including Gary Medel from Sevilla for £11m and Steven Caulker from Tottenham for about £8m.

Apsalyamov's appointment - with a remit to focus "on gathering data on individual players", according to a club statement - was one of several controversial decisions made by the club's Malaysian owner Vincent Tan.

Many Cardiff fans reacted negatively when the club's colours were changed from blue to red during the summer of 2012.

So Tan got rid of Moody for no reason. The guy didn't even have a proper work permit. Vincent Tan, well done for doing some research and making sure the guy you employ can actually be employed. Right now, Cardiff Football Club is like a circus. Who knows what will happen next?

I think they have overspent on players this year. Caulker isn't worth £8m at 21. Medel looks like a good signing but isn't £11m good. And Cornelius, £7.5m spent for 20 minutes of Premier League action this season is abysmal.

I agree. Shelvey cost us £6m and hes worth more than any of the Cardiff signings.

I think Cardiff will just survive this season. Luckily there are at least three teams worse than them this term which should see Cardiff survive.

If Spurs changed their name to the Tottenham Hawks

More like Tottenham Chickens on Beach-Balls.

Looking back on what I said, I think the fans supporting the club because they're in the Premier League could be seen as glory hunters and blind to the negatives. I actually commend the fans who boo and aren't buying it.